against marco rubio, he does better. 45% biden, marco rubio, 38%. these are all very, very early. i don't know if they mean anything going down the road but it gives us a flavor of what is going on. >> look. she is one of the most popular politicians in this country and today is international women's day so i have to put in a plug for that. hillary clinton by far is the most serious candidate and of course joe biden would disagree with me and i believe he's another tested politician. i'm not surprised at the numbers right now. >> the problem is those numbers for republicans and democrats, it took us so long, for chris christie, what is his strength is also his weakness. he's the bulldog on your front lawn. you want him out there guarding your house but you're not sure you want him inside the house and that's the test of a president, to see someone that you can see close to that red button. for hillary and for biden, their numbers should be better than that. we've moved forward a generation. the democratic party certainly has. barack obama. he's not an industrial-aged president. he